<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Ten reasons why mid-size churches are better</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?feed=rss2&#038;p=460" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460</link>
	<description>Volume one contains entries from 2005-2010.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:56 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-745</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hiya, PB -- I have much the same demographic in my area as you do in yours, except it&#039;s not just Irish Catholic, it&#039;s lots of other ethnic Catholic groups too. We get ex-Catholics coming in the door, and we don&#039;t see a whole heck of a lot of unchurched folks because in this area my feeling is that the majority of people have at least a nominal church affiliation. Perhaps for that reason, we&#039;ve been finding that our support for equal marriage has been a great attraction for newcomers -- as people get driven out of more conservative churches because of that &quot;wedge issue,&quot; they come to us.

I&#039;m still hoping to mobilize the unchruched folks in the area, though. That may require growth first, because I still believe that unchurched people are far more likely to attend a program-size church (or larger) -- there is so much you have to put up with in a small church, I can&#039;t imagine many unchurched people willing to wade their way through the volunteer burnout and financial instability of a small church, just in order to get to the theological message that might be hidden there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya, PB &#8212; I have much the same demographic in my area as you do in yours, except it&#8217;s not just Irish Catholic, it&#8217;s lots of other ethnic Catholic groups too. We get ex-Catholics coming in the door, and we don&#8217;t see a whole heck of a lot of unchurched folks because in this area my feeling is that the majority of people have at least a nominal church affiliation. Perhaps for that reason, we&#8217;ve been finding that our support for equal marriage has been a great attraction for newcomers &#8212; as people get driven out of more conservative churches because of that &#8220;wedge issue,&#8221; they come to us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still hoping to mobilize the unchruched folks in the area, though. That may require growth first, because I still believe that unchurched people are far more likely to attend a program-size church (or larger) &#8212; there is so much you have to put up with in a small church, I can&#8217;t imagine many unchurched people willing to wade their way through the volunteer burnout and financial instability of a small church, just in order to get to the theological message that might be hidden there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PeaceBang</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>PeaceBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-742</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Dan. It helped me identify the main question to ask our Membership Committee: do we want to target our outreach to the unchurched, or to the disenchanted ex-Something? I believe that in my conservative Irish Catholic enclave, we would do well to focus our efforts on the latter. Right now it&#039;s a catch-as-catch-can mishmash.

If YOU were going to be our speaker at the district annual meeting this coming weekend, I&#039;d go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Dan. It helped me identify the main question to ask our Membership Committee: do we want to target our outreach to the unchurched, or to the disenchanted ex-Something? I believe that in my conservative Irish Catholic enclave, we would do well to focus our efforts on the latter. Right now it&#8217;s a catch-as-catch-can mishmash.</p>
<p>If YOU were going to be our speaker at the district annual meeting this coming weekend, I&#8217;d go.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-741</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Clyde,
I meet very few people from uncharged backgrounds in my Church.  Always people who grew up often Catholic (it&#039;s Chicago area) or from a conservative sort of Church... they fell away and come back when they have kids and look for less doctrainare place that still feels like Church and offers programs for kids.

The mega Church, which I visit somethimes, is huge and gets a far wider range...  My wife is in a choir with some leaders of the Church of the Brethen.  Their world HQ is here in Elgin Illinois.  They study these Mega Churches in detail. Very effective in recruiting the unchurched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clyde,<br />
I meet very few people from uncharged backgrounds in my Church.  Always people who grew up often Catholic (it&#8217;s Chicago area) or from a conservative sort of Church&#8230; they fell away and come back when they have kids and look for less doctrainare place that still feels like Church and offers programs for kids.</p>
<p>The mega Church, which I visit somethimes, is huge and gets a far wider range&#8230;  My wife is in a choir with some leaders of the Church of the Brethen.  Their world HQ is here in Elgin Illinois.  They study these Mega Churches in detail. Very effective in recruiting the unchurched.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clyde Grubbs</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Grubbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-724</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Those congregations that are growing are recruiting the &quot;unchurched.&quot;  And those congregations that are not growing are recruiting the unchurched are failing to consoldate them.  Unless Catholics in rebellion are &quot;conservative Christians&quot; we aren&#039;t recruiting conservative Christians at all.  
&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those congregations that are growing are recruiting the &#8220;unchurched.&#8221;  And those congregations that are not growing are recruiting the unchurched are failing to consoldate them.  Unless Catholics in rebellion are &#8220;conservative Christians&#8221; we aren&#8217;t recruiting conservative Christians at all.<br />
&#8220;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-719</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Bill (first post) -- Yes, we get a lot of newcomers from the conservative denominations. But my experience has been we can do a pretty good job of getting unchurched folks to participate, if we invite them in. Another big source of potential newcomers is our children; it&#039;s surprising how many UU parents do NOT invite their own children to come to church! You also say: &quot;And UUs arenâ€™t the most kindest sort for welcoming these folks.&quot; --I think a large part of that is actually the difficulty of making the transition from a small congregation (150 or less average attendance on Sundays) to a mid-size church (200 to 400 average attendance on Sundays). See Alice Mann&#039;s book &quot;Raising the Roof&quot; to learn more (ask Lindsay if you can borrow a copy) -- or for an overview, check out the following online resource:

http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL197.pdf

Adam -- Yep, it&#039;s impractical in some areas. But here&#039;s my rule of thumb: We could attract at least 1% of the population within a 30 minute drive of any of our congregations (45 minutes in the Midwest and the Far West, probably less in Europe). Having spent many years in the Boston area, I would say we  still have lots of room for growth even if you factor in the density of congregations (because of the density of population). I believe the real issue is that most of our congregations don&#039;t grow because of the difficulty of size transitions, esp. pastoral to program-size church -- and that we could help congregations see why it&#039;s to their advantage to grow by showing the benefits of having a mid-size church. For an online resource, see page 8 of the following:

http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL237.pdf

Carol -- Church size is best defined by the year-round average of adults and children who attend church each Sunday (the number of people who have signed the membership book is typically far less useful a number). As to your comment, demographic research by the Unitarian Unviersalist Association indicates that while there are only about 250,000 actual Unitarian Universalists in the United States, another 250,000 people consistently report themselves as being Unitarian Universalists on independent polls, and another 4-5 million people look very much like existing Unitarian Universalists demographically speaking.

Bill and Carol -- I do not believe that we are particularly good at attracting the &quot;spiritual but not religious.&quot; I believe we are good at attracting people who are &quot;cultural creatives,&quot; who are engaged in creating their own cultural norms. According to demographers, I&#039;m actually a cultural creative so maybe I&#039;m biased.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill (first post) &#8212; Yes, we get a lot of newcomers from the conservative denominations. But my experience has been we can do a pretty good job of getting unchurched folks to participate, if we invite them in. Another big source of potential newcomers is our children; it&#8217;s surprising how many UU parents do NOT invite their own children to come to church! You also say: &#8220;And UUs arenâ€™t the most kindest sort for welcoming these folks.&#8221; &#8211;I think a large part of that is actually the difficulty of making the transition from a small congregation (150 or less average attendance on Sundays) to a mid-size church (200 to 400 average attendance on Sundays). See Alice Mann&#8217;s book &#8220;Raising the Roof&#8221; to learn more (ask Lindsay if you can borrow a copy) &#8212; or for an overview, check out the following online resource:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL197.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL197.pdf</a></p>
<p>Adam &#8212; Yep, it&#8217;s impractical in some areas. But here&#8217;s my rule of thumb: We could attract at least 1% of the population within a 30 minute drive of any of our congregations (45 minutes in the Midwest and the Far West, probably less in Europe). Having spent many years in the Boston area, I would say we  still have lots of room for growth even if you factor in the density of congregations (because of the density of population). I believe the real issue is that most of our congregations don&#8217;t grow because of the difficulty of size transitions, esp. pastoral to program-size church &#8212; and that we could help congregations see why it&#8217;s to their advantage to grow by showing the benefits of having a mid-size church. For an online resource, see page 8 of the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL237.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.alban.org/pdf/chapters/Chap_AL237.pdf</a></p>
<p>Carol &#8212; Church size is best defined by the year-round average of adults and children who attend church each Sunday (the number of people who have signed the membership book is typically far less useful a number). As to your comment, demographic research by the Unitarian Unviersalist Association indicates that while there are only about 250,000 actual Unitarian Universalists in the United States, another 250,000 people consistently report themselves as being Unitarian Universalists on independent polls, and another 4-5 million people look very much like existing Unitarian Universalists demographically speaking.</p>
<p>Bill and Carol &#8212; I do not believe that we are particularly good at attracting the &#8220;spiritual but not religious.&#8221; I believe we are good at attracting people who are &#8220;cultural creatives,&#8221; who are engaged in creating their own cultural norms. According to demographers, I&#8217;m actually a cultural creative so maybe I&#8217;m biased.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-716</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right that there out there Carol.. &quot;the spiritual but not religous&quot;... but the mega
churches do a far better job of getting them....  and UU&#039;s, for all of our liberalism, are
a pretty traditional lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that there out there Carol.. &#8220;the spiritual but not religous&#8221;&#8230; but the mega<br />
churches do a far better job of getting them&#8230;.  and UU&#8217;s, for all of our liberalism, are<br />
a pretty traditional lot.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carol Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460&#038;cpage=1#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=460#comment-713</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
One question, and one comment. 

First, how is &quot;mid-sized&quot; defined? Over 200? I belong to a UU congregation with just about 300 members....it seems like just the right size to demonstrate all of the advantages you outlined in your post. Even as a new member I still feel like it is small enough to get to know people.

Second, regarding BB&#039;s comment: &quot;UUism isnâ€™t going to grow recruiting the unchurched. Itâ€™s only conservatives who for one reason or another canâ€™t remain in their Church homes, who will come to UU Churches.&quot; My guess is that I am one of these so-called &quot;unchurched&quot;...I have a mainstream Protestant background, but broke away from organized religion as a young adult. 25 years later, I finally stumbled upon UUism. I&#039;m quite certain there are a lot of liberal, &quot;unchurched&quot; folks out there that have no idea of what Unitarian-Universalism is, and how closely it aligns with their beliefs. 

I&#039;ve heard a few interesting statistics during the last week (I don&#039;t have sources...please correct me if they are not accurate). First, only 1.5% of the general population has an awareness of UUism and what it is. Second, my minister mentioned a poll in which 40% of people consider themselves &quot;spiritual but not religious.&quot; I think these figures suggest that there are a lot of individuals out there to reach out to besides &quot;conservative church goers.&quot;

Interesting post...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
One question, and one comment. </p>
<p>First, how is &#8220;mid-sized&#8221; defined? Over 200? I belong to a UU congregation with just about 300 members&#8230;.it seems like just the right size to demonstrate all of the advantages you outlined in your post. Even as a new member I still feel like it is small enough to get to know people.</p>
<p>Second, regarding BB&#8217;s comment: &#8220;UUism isnâ€™t going to grow recruiting the unchurched. Itâ€™s only conservatives who for one reason or another canâ€™t remain in their Church homes, who will come to UU Churches.&#8221; My guess is that I am one of these so-called &#8220;unchurched&#8221;&#8230;I have a mainstream Protestant background, but broke away from organized religion as a young adult. 25 years later, I finally stumbled upon UUism. I&#8217;m quite certain there are a lot of liberal, &#8220;unchurched&#8221; folks out there that have no idea of what Unitarian-Universalism is, and how closely it aligns with their beliefs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a few interesting statistics during the last week (I don&#8217;t have sources&#8230;please correct me if they are not accurate). First, only 1.5% of the general population has an awareness of UUism and what it is. Second, my minister mentioned a poll in which 40% of people consider themselves &#8220;spiritual but not religious.&#8221; I think these figures suggest that there are a lot of individuals out there to reach out to besides &#8220;conservative church goers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting post&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
